tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post114132054362615677..comments2023-08-12T07:57:23.534-07:00Comments on Rogue Theorycrap: +2% Chance for an Extra Attack Has No Material Benefit Over +2% HitVitaminChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11867967457842833196noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1169132775391264042007-01-18T07:06:00.000-08:002007-01-18T07:06:00.000-08:00paxil ultram abuse - tramadol - ee.net/url/2...<A HREF="http://jeeee.net/url/2854.html" REL="nofollow">paxil</A> <BR/> <A HREF="http://jeeee.net/url/2855.html" REL="nofollow">ultram abuse</A> - <A HREF="http://jeeee.net/url/2857.html" REL="nofollow">tramadol</A> - <A HREF="http://jee" REL="nofollow"><BR/>ee.net/url/2859.html>generic fioricet</A> - <A HREF="http://jeeee.net/url/2860.html" REL="nofollow">carisoprodol online</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1155926881626350022006-08-18T11:48:00.000-07:002006-08-18T11:48:00.000-07:00lol PVElol PVEAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1141974288148903952006-03-09T23:04:00.000-08:002006-03-09T23:04:00.000-08:00Get a life nerd.Eminence #1 PvE guild.Get a life nerd.<BR/><BR/>Eminence #1 PvE guild.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1141465345236168002006-03-04T01:42:00.000-08:002006-03-04T01:42:00.000-08:00Try to read me and pf's discussion. HoJ ist stil ...Try to read me and pf's discussion. HoJ ist stil the best passive trinket besides DFT.<BR/><BR/>Need to run more numbers using DPS calculator though. I am still in the process of revamping it and Data Table is not cooperating :SVitaminChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11867967457842833196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1141449787746609022006-03-03T21:23:00.000-08:002006-03-03T21:23:00.000-08:00So in other words, while HoJ is > Blackhands, or R...So in other words, while HoJ is > Blackhands, or Royal Seal, its not worth the countless hours of farming.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Thank goodness we learned this now when I have never gotten it. Good old epic trinkets, you do me no wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1141422231703812712006-03-03T13:43:00.000-08:002006-03-03T13:43:00.000-08:00Pf,I am not going to publish your last comment so ...Pf,<BR/><BR/>I am not going to publish your last comment so your bandwidth won't get wtfpwnt. :p<BR/><BR/>I hate pivot tables and INTC throwing curveballs on a fucking Friday. ><<BR/><BR/>I am going to fix up something on my DPS Calculator so I can proximate better. I can send you mine if you are interested. My email is in my details.VitaminChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11867967457842833196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1141416746936493832006-03-03T12:12:00.000-08:002006-03-03T12:12:00.000-08:00Do you mind sending me your spreadsheets?I am in t...Do you mind sending me your spreadsheets?<BR/><BR/>I am in the process of revamping my spreadsheet and add some damn pivot tables for scenario analysis.VitaminChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11867967457842833196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1141415955533164932006-03-03T11:59:00.000-08:002006-03-03T11:59:00.000-08:00wow, i meant brogetta usually shows:3% hit = 2% cr...wow, i meant brogetta usually shows:<BR/>3% hit = 2% crit, which would put extra attack about the same level as crit. <BR/><BR/>Also, I have my own spreadsheet which I use for gear/stat comparison. It does not take into account active trinkets, but everything else can easily be accounted for.<BR/><BR/>-pfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1141415060809996962006-03-03T11:44:00.000-08:002006-03-03T11:44:00.000-08:00Good point Pf.I might overlooked the benefit of 0....Good point Pf.<BR/><BR/>I might overlooked the benefit of 0.7% increase in DPS. ><<BR/><BR/>So 3% to hit ~ 2% to chance for extra attack.<BR/><BR/>However, I should run some more numbers on this using my Excel calculator to better proximate.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Brogetta's DPS calculator is not far from exact I am afraid, and 3% crit values way more than 2% hit. The white damage and special attack VitaminChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11867967457842833196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1141412965074058792006-03-03T11:09:00.000-08:002006-03-03T11:09:00.000-08:00Yes, when comparing stats, you have to use margina...Yes, when comparing stats, you have to use marginal benefit. When comparing % of your entire DPS, a .7% dps gain is a substantial gain... according to your own math, thats approximately 1% to hit. So if you say .7% dps increase is of no material benefit, then 1% to hit "has no material benefit."<BR/><BR/>Your math:<BR/>3% to hit = 2% to gain extra attack.<BR/><BR/>Now, if you use brogetta's dps Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1141410659520494002006-03-03T10:30:00.000-08:002006-03-03T10:30:00.000-08:00Math 101.Q: Dagger A does 3 dps. Dagger B does 4 d...Math 101.<BR/>Q: Dagger A does 3 dps. Dagger B does 4 dps. Dagger C does 5 dps. So dagger C does how many % more dps than dagger B?<BR/><BR/>A:<BR/>(your logic)<BR/>(5-3)/(4-3) - 1 = 2/1 - 1 = 100% (e.g. holy fuck, 5dps dagger is 100% better than 4dps dagger if i currently have a 3dps dagger)<BR/><BR/>(my logic)<BR/>5/4 - 1 = 25% (e.g. hmm, 5dps dagger is 25% better than 4dps dagger if i VitaminChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11867967457842833196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1141406611489521322006-03-03T09:23:00.000-08:002006-03-03T09:23:00.000-08:00+585 dmg with extra attack+390 dmg with extra hit5...+585 dmg with extra attack<BR/>+390 dmg with extra hit<BR/><BR/>585/390 = 1.5<BR/><BR/>50% better using your own math.<BR/>weighing 1% hit being about 8AEP,<BR/>the difference between 2% to hit and 2% to gain extra attack would be 8AEP.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1141403765945652222006-03-03T08:36:00.000-08:002006-03-03T08:36:00.000-08:00pf:First of all, I've shown a 0.5% increase in DPS...pf:<BR/><BR/>First of all, I've shown a 0.5% increase in DPS from 2% hit to 2% for an extra attack. That's far from 50% that you read.<BR/><BR/>1) I assumed 2.4 speed for both MH and OH. Most MH sword speed ranges from 2.6 to 2.9. There are only 4 epic sword that has speed less than 2.4: 1 craftable, 1 from AQ Gate quest, 2 drops. 2.4 speed for both hands is a fairly reasonable assumption. VitaminChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11867967457842833196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1141397226888259462006-03-03T06:47:00.000-08:002006-03-03T06:47:00.000-08:00You show that 2% to gain an extra attack is 50% be...You show that 2% to gain an extra attack is 50% better than 2% to hit, yet its only a marginal difference? On top of the fact that you have several wrong assumptions with your math.<BR/><BR/>1) sword rogues use same speed offhand<BR/>2) sword rogues dont have agression<BR/>3) sword rogues dont use slice n dice<BR/>4) sword rogues dont have dual wield spec.<BR/><BR/>These are not minor things you Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1141346670390111262006-03-02T16:44:00.000-08:002006-03-02T16:44:00.000-08:00You forgot the +20 AP part of HoJ.So the effective...You forgot the +20 AP part of HoJ.<BR/><BR/>So the effective stats for HoJ (for my lazy ass) is +2%Hit, +20AP.<BR/><BR/>That is about 50% better than Blackhand Breath.VitaminChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11867967457842833196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1141345573144123692006-03-02T16:26:00.000-08:002006-03-02T16:26:00.000-08:00Would this math then say that HoJ is equal to or w...Would this math then say that HoJ is equal to or worse than Blackhands Breadth for rogues? Once you get 5% to hit, generally you'd say 2% to hit is 1% to crit, and then 22 AP is about 1% to crit as well. Thus, BB = HoJ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com