tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post115687927931480110..comments2023-08-12T07:57:23.534-07:00Comments on Rogue Theorycrap: BC Talent Preview: Surprise AttacksVitaminChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11867967457842833196noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1165351571535461462006-12-05T12:46:00.000-08:002006-12-05T12:46:00.000-08:00There seems to be a decrease in dps for a combat d...There seems to be a decrease in dps for a combat dagger rogue or a combat fist rogue at lv 60 when you give up lethality and such to get the talent. <BR/>This is with the high crit rate due to both skills. Combat swords are another story. I crit around 20 or so percent and the benefits from lethality are about .2(crit%)*.3(lethality)= 6% damage increase. Surprise attacks adds 8% damage to slynesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03553559735105860382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1163679627724138762006-11-16T04:20:00.000-08:002006-11-16T04:20:00.000-08:00The skill has been updated with +8%? damage. and t...The skill has been updated with +8%? damage. and the new %chance to regain energy from the new skills should also change the result. planning an updated analysis any time soon?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1160481801240658412006-10-10T05:03:00.000-07:002006-10-10T05:03:00.000-07:00This looks like a really sucky skill. sword rogues...This looks like a really sucky skill. <BR/>sword rogues mostly use SS to build CPs, and then get that lovely dodge on evis. All this skill will do is remove the 1sec lost when there is a dodged SS<BR/>Why is Hemo not getting this love too? It too is used to build CPs<BR/>The gain for BS is even worse, since per 30 sec cycle you have even less dodges that are mitigated, but at least ur finisher Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1157575748073513182006-09-06T13:49:00.000-07:002006-09-06T13:49:00.000-07:00Because WoW (and most other RPG out there) operate...Because WoW (and most other RPG out there) operates on a single roll system. Your crit rate will remain the same regardless of how frequently you are hitting.<BR/><BR/>**In other words, your crit rate is based on the total number of swings, not based on the number of landed hits.**<BR/><BR/>You can observe your crit rate during long PvP sessions and 40men PvE raids, and they will be similar to VitaminChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11867967457842833196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1157575184916718342006-09-06T13:39:00.000-07:002006-09-06T13:39:00.000-07:00why are you assuming that the Dodge is being purel...why are you assuming that the Dodge is being purely converted to hit. Wouldn't it make more sense for a fraction of it to also become crit chance and thus allow the talent PVE utility?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1157558631581535422006-09-06T09:03:00.000-07:002006-09-06T09:03:00.000-07:00i'm so stupid i know...i did not read well your po...i'm so stupid i know...<BR/>i did not read well your post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1157536977365777382006-09-06T03:02:00.000-07:002006-09-06T03:02:00.000-07:00we can make it more simple.i consider only backsta...we can make it more simple.<BR/>i consider only backstabbing and ignore bugs<BR/><BR/>From behind for our backstab:<BR/>Miss chance of special attack = 0<BR/>Parry and block = 0<BR/>glancing = 0<BR/><BR/>so with Suprise Attacks the hit table became:<BR/>CRIT (C%)<BR/>HIT (100-C%)<BR/><BR/>without the talent is<BR/>dodge (5%)<BR/>Crit (c%)<BR/>Hit (100-c-5%)<BR/><BR/>as you can see you are Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1157467795929838842006-09-05T07:49:00.000-07:002006-09-05T07:49:00.000-07:00I have a couple of small criticisms of your line o...I have a couple of small criticisms of your line of thought here. Assuming that this isn't intended to be a talent useful alone in PVP (I do not think that it is), Then the other situations we're talking about are PvE raids at the level cap. Rogues in raids do not often have to worry about parry given that a target can not parry from behind so I think it's worth considering what happens when a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1157190953380763062006-09-02T02:55:00.000-07:002006-09-02T02:55:00.000-07:00you might also want to consider the fact that this...you might also want to consider the fact that this just might be a pvp talent.. i'd like to see a rogue hitting evasion against this baby, or a hunter using monyeyismAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1157138832802031302006-09-01T12:27:00.000-07:002006-09-01T12:27:00.000-07:00surprise attack doesn't effect white damage (only ...surprise attack doesn't effect white damage (only SS, BS, Gouge).VitaminChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11867967457842833196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1157134132412123192006-09-01T11:08:00.000-07:002006-09-01T11:08:00.000-07:00I think you are ignoring the white dmg, that incre...I think you are ignoring the white dmg, that incredibly increases with Suprise Attacks (as you don't "lose" energy to a non crit.). The difference between a white hit oder dodge is 100%.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1157047921776607672006-08-31T11:12:00.000-07:002006-08-31T11:12:00.000-07:00got them reversed :pfixed.got them reversed :p<BR/>fixed.VitaminChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11867967457842833196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1157043659246783642006-08-31T10:00:00.000-07:002006-08-31T10:00:00.000-07:00"SA:Crit damage = MIN [(100 - M - D - P), C] * 2.3..."SA:<BR/>Crit damage = MIN [(100 - M - D - P), C] * 2.3 SAD<BR/>Non Crit damage = MAX [(100 - M - D - P - C), 0] * SAD<BR/>Energy Cost = 100 * 60 + (M+D+P)*11<BR/>"<BR/>How it is come that SA uses dodge in formulas, and "No Sa" is not?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919796.post-1156953528901277562006-08-30T08:58:00.000-07:002006-08-30T08:58:00.000-07:00Damn, that's a sick equation. Maybe by them time ...Damn, that's a sick equation. Maybe by them time I hit 70, my head'll wrap around it. Until then, I'll just enjoy my revamped Combat Daggers build.<BR/><BR/>Rock out, VitC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com