Now that AQ gate is finally opened on Blackrock and Eminence is up to Huhuran (NR cockblock), here is my wishlist for AQ40/AQ20 in the order of desire:
Deathsting - C'Thun(?)
Anubisath Warhammer - Trash Mobs
Blessed Qiraji Pugio - AQ40 Boss Drop
Sand Polished Hammer - Ossirian the Unscarred
Deathdealer Vest - C'Thun
Deathdealer's Boots - Princess Huhuran
Ring of the Qiraji Fury - Battleguard Sartura
Barbed Choker - Fankriss the Unyielding
Yes, I am looking forward to replace my Dal'rend's set so I can grind more efficiently than using my daggers. I am not planning to dump my 5 NS bonus at the moment.
With active trinket nurf in 1.10, Earthstrike + ZHM combo won't be viable, but RCoT is still the best PvP trinket out there.
Active Trinket DPS modeling done (except ZHM is using lazy mode).
2.28.2006
2.15.2006
SnD/Rupture and Finisher Efficiency - by Kalman (Updated 03.01.06)
Link to original post by Kalmam. And my apologies for spelling the name wrong twice. :(
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-rogue&T=918191&P=2
There are 3 common SnD specs: 0/3, 1/3, and 3/3 Improved. 2/3 specs are rare.
With 0/3, your timers are 9/12/15/18/21.
With 1/3, your timers are 10/14/17/21/24.
With 3/3, your timers are 13/17/22/26/30.
A 1 CP SnD is modelable as 20 energy, 0.4 CP cost.
A 2 CP SnD is modelable as 15 energy, 1.4 CP.
A 3 CP SnD is modelable as 10 energy, 2.4 CP.
A 4 CP SnD is modelable as 05 energy, 3.4 CP.
A 5 CP SnD is modelable as 00 energy, 4.4 CP.
(assumes Relentless/Ruthless)
Energy efficiency is defined as the percentage of your energy being used on damage skills (SS/BS) divided by the total energy required. It is unrelated to Imp SnD, except insofar as higher patterns may not be sustainable without it.
Energy efficiency is simple: energy spent on damage / total energy spent.
E.G., the 4 CP cycle for sword rogues is:
(3.4*40)/((3.4*40)+5) = 96%.
Energy efficiency: swords (1 CP = 40 energy)
All patterns are sustainable for a sword rogue.
1: 44% (56% wasted)
2: 79% (21% wasted)
3: 91% (9% wasted)
4: 97% (3% wasted)
5: 100% (no wasted energy, )
Energy efficiency: combat daggers (1 CP = 60 energy)
1: 54% (46% wasted)
*all higher patterns are unsustainable at 0/3*
2: 85%
*all higher patterns are unsustainable at 1/3*
3: 93.5%
4: 95%
5: 100%
I don't feel like dealing with SF daggers, but the CP/energy is easily calculable.
At 1/3, dagger specs pick up the 2 CP cycle as sustainable. At 3/3, all cycles are sustainable.
For a sword rogue, the 1 CP pattern is simply useless. You'll wind up wasting energy, or using CP on something other than SnD (and if you're going to do that, why aren't you using 5 CP to do it?).
For 3/3 Imp SnD, a sword rogue should be cycling:
5 SnD, 5 Rupture, 3 SnD, repeat. Overall efficiency for the cycle: 98%. SnD uptime? Constant.
5 SnD gives 30 seconds of SnD. 17.6 (average) will be spent getting to 5 Rupture. Rupture is zero-energy. Leaves 13.4 seconds to build to 3 pt SnD. Happily this requires 130 energy to do in worst case, technically averages at 106.
(Occasionally you'll wind up with bad misses, or unlucky on your Ruthless/Relentless procs. Adjust your cycle as needed, but the 5/5/3 cycle is very, very good.)
A combat dagger rogue at 3/3 will cycle:
5 SnD, 1 CP Rupture, repeat. This cycle is almost perfectly sustainable (30.45 seconds SnD. 4.4 average for the 1 CP Rupture, 26.4 average for the 5 CP SnD, means there's 0.35 un-SnDed. Drop the Rupture if you need to.) Energy efficiency here is effectively 100%, as Rupture energy is damage as well, but if you want to count Rupture as inefficiency, efficiency is 93.5%. I.E. as efficient as a 3 cycle, with a slight DPS boost from the rupture.
Unless you didn't improve SnD, 1 CP SnDs are wasting energy.
- Post Made by Kalman on Rogue Forum, Taken for My Personal Note.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-rogue&T=918191&P=2
There are 3 common SnD specs: 0/3, 1/3, and 3/3 Improved. 2/3 specs are rare.
With 0/3, your timers are 9/12/15/18/21.
With 1/3, your timers are 10/14/17/21/24.
With 3/3, your timers are 13/17/22/26/30.
A 1 CP SnD is modelable as 20 energy, 0.4 CP cost.
A 2 CP SnD is modelable as 15 energy, 1.4 CP.
A 3 CP SnD is modelable as 10 energy, 2.4 CP.
A 4 CP SnD is modelable as 05 energy, 3.4 CP.
A 5 CP SnD is modelable as 00 energy, 4.4 CP.
(assumes Relentless/Ruthless)
Energy efficiency is defined as the percentage of your energy being used on damage skills (SS/BS) divided by the total energy required. It is unrelated to Imp SnD, except insofar as higher patterns may not be sustainable without it.
Energy efficiency is simple: energy spent on damage / total energy spent.
E.G., the 4 CP cycle for sword rogues is:
(3.4*40)/((3.4*40)+5) = 96%.
Energy efficiency: swords (1 CP = 40 energy)
All patterns are sustainable for a sword rogue.
1: 44% (56% wasted)
2: 79% (21% wasted)
3: 91% (9% wasted)
4: 97% (3% wasted)
5: 100% (no wasted energy, )
Energy efficiency: combat daggers (1 CP = 60 energy)
1: 54% (46% wasted)
*all higher patterns are unsustainable at 0/3*
2: 85%
*all higher patterns are unsustainable at 1/3*
3: 93.5%
4: 95%
5: 100%
I don't feel like dealing with SF daggers, but the CP/energy is easily calculable.
At 1/3, dagger specs pick up the 2 CP cycle as sustainable. At 3/3, all cycles are sustainable.
For a sword rogue, the 1 CP pattern is simply useless. You'll wind up wasting energy, or using CP on something other than SnD (and if you're going to do that, why aren't you using 5 CP to do it?).
For 3/3 Imp SnD, a sword rogue should be cycling:
5 SnD, 5 Rupture, 3 SnD, repeat. Overall efficiency for the cycle: 98%. SnD uptime? Constant.
5 SnD gives 30 seconds of SnD. 17.6 (average) will be spent getting to 5 Rupture. Rupture is zero-energy. Leaves 13.4 seconds to build to 3 pt SnD. Happily this requires 130 energy to do in worst case, technically averages at 106.
(Occasionally you'll wind up with bad misses, or unlucky on your Ruthless/Relentless procs. Adjust your cycle as needed, but the 5/5/3 cycle is very, very good.)
A combat dagger rogue at 3/3 will cycle:
5 SnD, 1 CP Rupture, repeat. This cycle is almost perfectly sustainable (30.45 seconds SnD. 4.4 average for the 1 CP Rupture, 26.4 average for the 5 CP SnD, means there's 0.35 un-SnDed. Drop the Rupture if you need to.) Energy efficiency here is effectively 100%, as Rupture energy is damage as well, but if you want to count Rupture as inefficiency, efficiency is 93.5%. I.E. as efficient as a 3 cycle, with a slight DPS boost from the rupture.
Unless you didn't improve SnD, 1 CP SnDs are wasting energy.
- Post Made by Kalman on Rogue Forum, Taken for My Personal Note.
2.01.2006
Trinket DPS Calculations
It's really hard to compare active trinkets (ZHM, VT, etc) to passive trinkets (DFT, BB, etc) using some reasonable basis. Quality can only be compared when you can quantify their effects and that's what I've been trying to attempt.
Drake Fang Talisman
Listing the DPS for DFT for comparison basis. Since I am trying to use Excel spreadsheet to model DPS, I am going to do it in lazy mode by simply adding 2% hit and 56ap to my model and take the difference in DPS.
With my current set-up, DFT contributes about 11.5 DPS.
Hand of Justice
Listing the DPS for HoJ becuase this trinket is generally being overvalued by the public. "2% chance on hit to gain 1 extra attack" is extremely similar to +2% hit. Yes, 2% hit to gain 1 extra attack is slightly better. No, the difference is not material to use different numbers for either of them.
Earthstrike
Use: Increases your melee and ranged attack power by 280. Effect lasts for 20 sec.
Since I am trying to use Excel spreadsheet to model DPS, I am going to do it in lazy mode. Calculating each individual attack's benefit from ES is a major pita and varies dramatically depending on specs.
DPS = Damage Dealt / Time
= (Total DPS after +280 Attack Power - Total Original DPS) * 20 / (120 for sustained, 20 for burst)
~ 6.6 DPS sustained
~ 39.8 DPS burst, according to my gear set-up
Another method of calculation is to pro-rate it to its cooldown. So +280 attack power for 20 seconds every 2 minutes can be scaled into 47 attack power over 2 minutes. So Earthstrike can be treated as a 47 attack power trinket for sustained damage purposes.
Renataki's Charm of Trickery
Use: Instantly increases your energy by 60.
DPS = Average Backstab Hit / (Trinket Cooldown for Sustained)
= 1000 / 180
= 5.6 DPS
The Burst DPS for Renataki's Charm of Trickery is meaningless due to its instant nature. 1000 damage / 1 second = 1000 DPS anyone?
Venomous Totem
Use: Increases the chance to apply Rogue poisons to your target by 30% for 20 sec.
Simple and straight forward calculation
DPS = Total # of Landing Hits * 30% * Poison Damage / (Trinket Cooldown for Sustained | 20 Second for Burst)
= { [(Activating Energy + 20*10)/(Hemo 35 | SS 40 | BS 60) * 30% * (130 | 150 Viled Poison) * [100% - max(5% - Hit Rate, 0)] + [(20/MH Weapon Speed) + (20/OH Weapon Speed)] * 30% * (130 | 150 Viled Poison) * [100% - max(24% - Hit Rate, 0)] } / (300 | 20)
Example: Assuming 1.8 Speed MH, 1.6 Speed OH, 5% hit, Backstab and duel wield Instant Poison VI with no Viel Poison talent and activate trinket at full (100) energy.
VT Sustained DPS = [5 * 0.3 * 130 + (11.11 + 12.5) * 0.3 * 130 * 0.81]/300 = 3.1
VT Burst DPS = [5 * 0.3 * 130 + (11.11 + 12.5) * 0.3 * 130 * 0.81]/20 = 47.1
Zandalarian Hero Medallion
Use: Increases your melee and ranged damage by 40 for 20 sec. Every time you hit a target, this bonus is reduced by 2.
Worst active trinket to proximate DPS. Period.
However, I am a lazy fuck and I adhere to KISS principle, so here is the very proximate evaluation of ZHM:
Total Damage Added ~ [(1+20)*10/2]*2 = 210
Total Damage Added after Crit/Hit Effects ~ 210 * [(1 - Miss Rate + Hit Rate) + 2 * Crit Rate)]
Assuming 5% Hit and 27% Crit
Total Damage Added after Crit/Hit Effects = 281.4
DPS = 281.4 / (20 for burst, 120 for sustained) = 14.1 burst DPS or 2.3 sustained DPS
Since this method ignores special attacks and all the talent perks, I will give it a 2x ratio to make it 28.2 burst DPS or 4.6 sustained DPS.
Drake Fang Talisman
Listing the DPS for DFT for comparison basis. Since I am trying to use Excel spreadsheet to model DPS, I am going to do it in lazy mode by simply adding 2% hit and 56ap to my model and take the difference in DPS.
With my current set-up, DFT contributes about 11.5 DPS.
Hand of Justice
Listing the DPS for HoJ becuase this trinket is generally being overvalued by the public. "2% chance on hit to gain 1 extra attack" is extremely similar to +2% hit. Yes, 2% hit to gain 1 extra attack is slightly better. No, the difference is not material to use different numbers for either of them.
Earthstrike
Use: Increases your melee and ranged attack power by 280. Effect lasts for 20 sec.
Since I am trying to use Excel spreadsheet to model DPS, I am going to do it in lazy mode. Calculating each individual attack's benefit from ES is a major pita and varies dramatically depending on specs.
DPS = Damage Dealt / Time
= (Total DPS after +280 Attack Power - Total Original DPS) * 20 / (120 for sustained, 20 for burst)
~ 6.6 DPS sustained
~ 39.8 DPS burst, according to my gear set-up
Another method of calculation is to pro-rate it to its cooldown. So +280 attack power for 20 seconds every 2 minutes can be scaled into 47 attack power over 2 minutes. So Earthstrike can be treated as a 47 attack power trinket for sustained damage purposes.
Renataki's Charm of Trickery
Use: Instantly increases your energy by 60.
DPS = Average Backstab Hit / (Trinket Cooldown for Sustained)
= 1000 / 180
= 5.6 DPS
The Burst DPS for Renataki's Charm of Trickery is meaningless due to its instant nature. 1000 damage / 1 second = 1000 DPS anyone?
Venomous Totem
Use: Increases the chance to apply Rogue poisons to your target by 30% for 20 sec.
Simple and straight forward calculation
DPS = Total # of Landing Hits * 30% * Poison Damage / (Trinket Cooldown for Sustained | 20 Second for Burst)
= { [(Activating Energy + 20*10)/(Hemo 35 | SS 40 | BS 60) * 30% * (130 | 150 Viled Poison) * [100% - max(5% - Hit Rate, 0)] + [(20/MH Weapon Speed) + (20/OH Weapon Speed)] * 30% * (130 | 150 Viled Poison) * [100% - max(24% - Hit Rate, 0)] } / (300 | 20)
Example: Assuming 1.8 Speed MH, 1.6 Speed OH, 5% hit, Backstab and duel wield Instant Poison VI with no Viel Poison talent and activate trinket at full (100) energy.
VT Sustained DPS = [5 * 0.3 * 130 + (11.11 + 12.5) * 0.3 * 130 * 0.81]/300 = 3.1
VT Burst DPS = [5 * 0.3 * 130 + (11.11 + 12.5) * 0.3 * 130 * 0.81]/20 = 47.1
Zandalarian Hero Medallion
Use: Increases your melee and ranged damage by 40 for 20 sec. Every time you hit a target, this bonus is reduced by 2.
Worst active trinket to proximate DPS. Period.
However, I am a lazy fuck and I adhere to KISS principle, so here is the very proximate evaluation of ZHM:
Total Damage Added ~ [(1+20)*10/2]*2 = 210
Total Damage Added after Crit/Hit Effects ~ 210 * [(1 - Miss Rate + Hit Rate) + 2 * Crit Rate)]
Assuming 5% Hit and 27% Crit
Total Damage Added after Crit/Hit Effects = 281.4
DPS = 281.4 / (20 for burst, 120 for sustained) = 14.1 burst DPS or 2.3 sustained DPS
Since this method ignores special attacks and all the talent perks, I will give it a 2x ratio to make it 28.2 burst DPS or 4.6 sustained DPS.
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